1 00:00:22,790 --> 00:00:09,080 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:25,440 hello and welcome to the skeptic zone 3 00:00:32,790 --> 00:00:29,890 episode number 374 for the twentieth of 4 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:32,800 December 2015 Richard Saunders here with 5 00:00:38,820 --> 00:00:36,010 you from Sydney Australia it's hot it's 6 00:00:40,890 --> 00:00:38,830 so hot there should be a joke now it's 7 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:40,900 so hard to Sydney that I just can't 8 00:00:50,250 --> 00:00:43,690 leave one because it's too hot yes it's 9 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:50,260 too hot even Santa fell off the sled 10 00:00:55,140 --> 00:00:52,570 there it's so hot never mind coming up 11 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:55,150 on this week's skeptic zone may night 12 00:00:59,639 --> 00:00:57,010 interviews Jake far Wharton who was a 13 00:01:01,139 --> 00:00:59,649 speaker at the Australian skeptics 14 00:01:04,710 --> 00:01:01,149 National Convention Jake's going to be 15 00:01:06,660 --> 00:01:04,720 talking about diets and other things an 16 00:01:09,990 --> 00:01:06,670 interesting man he also does a podcast 17 00:01:13,530 --> 00:01:10,000 he does comedy he's a stand-up comedian 18 00:01:17,180 --> 00:01:13,540 and last year he was part of the James 19 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:17,190 Randi tour which I was involved with and 20 00:01:22,499 --> 00:01:20,170 I'm it up with Jake in Perth last year 21 00:01:24,719 --> 00:01:22,509 as I remember anyway coming up at the 22 00:01:27,630 --> 00:01:24,729 top of the show Maynard talks to Jake 23 00:01:29,850 --> 00:01:27,640 about all sorts of things following that 24 00:01:33,930 --> 00:01:29,860 it's a news report just came out today 25 00:01:37,590 --> 00:01:33,940 here in Australia about those bizarre 26 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:37,600 crazy wacky loony Marvin I'm remember 27 00:01:44,249 --> 00:01:40,450 that andy vaccination crowd who are 28 00:01:45,960 --> 00:01:44,259 actually they jump the shark years ago 29 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:45,970 but they continue to do they line up 30 00:01:49,139 --> 00:01:47,770 more sharks to jump with their foot in 31 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:49,149 their mouth at the same time it's quite 32 00:01:55,109 --> 00:01:51,970 a sight to see now they've been accused 33 00:01:58,169 --> 00:01:55,119 of vandalizing hospitals and other areas 34 00:02:00,900 --> 00:01:58,179 to rip down vaccination posters and 35 00:02:02,070 --> 00:02:00,910 steal vaccination leaflets I don't know 36 00:02:03,839 --> 00:02:02,080 if you can actually steal them if 37 00:02:07,199 --> 00:02:03,849 they're there to take anyway but you get 38 00:02:10,169 --> 00:02:07,209 my meaning Moo every time you think they 39 00:02:11,670 --> 00:02:10,179 can't get any lower they do they do if 40 00:02:15,510 --> 00:02:11,680 you remember last week we brought you 41 00:02:18,690 --> 00:02:15,520 the story of a mum I up in Queensland 42 00:02:21,809 --> 00:02:18,700 who was offering chicken pox parties and 43 00:02:23,839 --> 00:02:21,819 of course the thought occurred to me 44 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:23,849 during the week and other people too is 45 00:02:30,590 --> 00:02:27,130 that she's condemning those kids who get 46 00:02:33,570 --> 00:02:30,600 chicken pox in the years to come like me 47 00:02:38,830 --> 00:02:33,580 to possibly getting shingles 48 00:02:41,920 --> 00:02:38,840 Bravo well done what a what a what a 49 00:02:44,050 --> 00:02:41,930 smart thing to do mm-hmm anyway coming 50 00:02:46,839 --> 00:02:44,060 up there'll be a report as featured in 51 00:02:49,870 --> 00:02:46,849 The Telegraph The Daily Telegraph about 52 00:02:51,790 --> 00:02:49,880 these anti-vaxxers vandalizing hospitals 53 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:51,800 and other areas and after that it's a 54 00:02:57,309 --> 00:02:53,450 week in science from the Royal firm that 55 00:02:59,710 --> 00:02:57,319 what oh it's not their own holidays hmm 56 00:03:02,199 --> 00:02:59,720 even the Royal Institution of Australia 57 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:02,209 has to have holidays some time there's 58 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:04,130 no weakened science this week and next 59 00:03:09,039 --> 00:03:07,370 week no dear I know you'll miss it but 60 00:03:11,920 --> 00:03:09,049 don't worry it'll be back in the new 61 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:11,930 year then it's evidence please with Joe 62 00:03:16,809 --> 00:03:14,690 alabaster Joe's going to read to us a 63 00:03:19,059 --> 00:03:16,819 letter written by the vice president's 64 00:03:21,759 --> 00:03:19,069 of our friends at the Friends of science 65 00:03:24,250 --> 00:03:21,769 and medicine professor Rob Morrison an 66 00:03:28,449 --> 00:03:24,260 old friend of the skeptic zone and one 67 00:03:30,970 --> 00:03:28,459 of the curiosity show team and professor 68 00:03:32,589 --> 00:03:30,980 Alistair mclennan both these men have 69 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:32,599 received the order of australia very 70 00:03:38,470 --> 00:03:34,930 prestigious move penned this letter 71 00:03:41,620 --> 00:03:38,480 asking the government why valuable 72 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:41,630 resources are spent on pseudoscience a 73 00:03:47,410 --> 00:03:43,850 good letter Joe will be reading that out 74 00:03:50,110 --> 00:03:47,420 to round off the skeptic zone thanks to 75 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:50,120 those people who dropped by the mr. Katz 76 00:03:54,759 --> 00:03:52,370 origami jewelry stall at the glebe 77 00:03:57,309 --> 00:03:54,769 markets here in Sydney just yesterday it 78 00:03:59,500 --> 00:03:57,319 was a roasting hot day but it was nice 79 00:04:02,740 --> 00:03:59,510 that some people came up to say hello 80 00:04:04,330 --> 00:04:02,750 and hello back to you I might do some 81 00:04:06,940 --> 00:04:04,340 more markets but I think I'll wait till 82 00:04:10,330 --> 00:04:06,950 the to the weather cools down a little 83 00:04:12,759 --> 00:04:10,340 bit and it's good because the money I 84 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:12,769 make from doing the mr. Katz origami 85 00:04:16,509 --> 00:04:14,810 jewelry goes directly to helping the 86 00:04:18,370 --> 00:04:16,519 skeptic zone so thank you very much 87 00:04:20,650 --> 00:04:18,380 indeed but now it's time for me to go 88 00:04:24,510 --> 00:04:20,660 nowhere because I have in front of me 89 00:04:34,629 --> 00:04:24,520 one of my favorite snacks of all time 90 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:34,639 here we go haha hmm peanuts while I'm 91 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:36,050 munching on those peanuts I hope you 92 00:05:01,430 --> 00:04:58,399 here's my not spooky action at the 93 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:04,290 I'm speaking to you now from inside it's 94 00:05:08,730 --> 00:05:06,490 a ballet room with the ballet but will 95 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:08,740 be I knew if I got here look I love your 96 00:05:12,840 --> 00:05:10,690 ballet outfit to thank you so much its 97 00:05:15,420 --> 00:05:12,850 Jake fire warden from the great podcast 98 00:05:16,860 --> 00:05:15,430 the imaginary friendship and people have 99 00:05:18,450 --> 00:05:16,870 heard you on also you've been on a lot 100 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:18,460 of great atheist podcast cognitive 101 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:19,570 dissidence you love those guys 102 00:05:23,820 --> 00:05:21,730 absolutely there i would consider them 103 00:05:25,230 --> 00:05:23,830 some of my best friends hmmm and and 104 00:05:26,910 --> 00:05:25,240 they don't pull any punches anyway and 105 00:05:29,190 --> 00:05:26,920 they just say things that are so wrong 106 00:05:30,660 --> 00:05:29,200 but then again you do too well I am 107 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:30,670 pretty wrong most of the time actually 108 00:05:34,650 --> 00:05:33,010 it's pretty much my default setting 109 00:05:38,070 --> 00:05:34,660 actually I look you talking today about 110 00:05:39,810 --> 00:05:38,080 diets there I knew you normally you'd be 111 00:05:41,510 --> 00:05:39,820 a bit more hardcore newer on stage or a 112 00:05:44,850 --> 00:05:41,520 bit more in educational mode today 113 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:44,860 absolutely well i think you know picking 114 00:05:50,280 --> 00:05:47,650 the the talk for the type of audience is 115 00:05:52,740 --> 00:05:50,290 obviously necessary and I mean in this 116 00:05:53,790 --> 00:05:52,750 case they are skeptics and they don't 117 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:53,800 need to be all that were obviously 118 00:05:59,700 --> 00:05:56,650 talking to the converted I suppose in 119 00:06:01,890 --> 00:05:59,710 many ways although my topic was one of 120 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:01,900 those ones that I know I personally have 121 00:06:06,210 --> 00:06:03,850 been suckered into diet scams I've been 122 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:06,220 personally suck it into diet pill scans 123 00:06:11,550 --> 00:06:08,770 etc you know so-called scams I'm raising 124 00:06:13,170 --> 00:06:11,560 my fingers in inverted commas so so 125 00:06:15,930 --> 00:06:13,180 certainly it's one that we don't need to 126 00:06:17,580 --> 00:06:15,940 be we don't need to yell about but it is 127 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:17,590 definitely one that we need to discuss 128 00:06:23,190 --> 00:06:21,370 in a rational level-headed way look I've 129 00:06:25,470 --> 00:06:23,200 managed to knock my weight down to 74 130 00:06:27,180 --> 00:06:25,480 kilograms and that is look amazing the 131 00:06:29,700 --> 00:06:27,190 course well I'm wearing a suit from 132 00:06:31,290 --> 00:06:29,710 1990s I'm back down to my 1990 wage and 133 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:31,300 like yeah that's no big deal because I 134 00:06:33,990 --> 00:06:32,410 wasn't dangerous they're based in the 135 00:06:35,670 --> 00:06:34,000 first place but I did it through just 136 00:06:37,260 --> 00:06:35,680 cutting out stuff out of the diet like 137 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:37,270 chocolate and almost sugary stuff now 138 00:06:41,310 --> 00:06:39,250 now is that seen as an extreme strange 139 00:06:43,740 --> 00:06:41,320 thing like actually this is a tip from 140 00:06:45,270 --> 00:06:43,750 Oprah a fat busted my house now I don't 141 00:06:47,310 --> 00:06:45,280 have a partner I don't have kids so I 142 00:06:48,540 --> 00:06:47,320 can go without having chips ice cream or 143 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:48,550 sugary drinks in the house altogether 144 00:06:52,410 --> 00:06:50,770 and you just wing yourself off them that 145 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:52,420 way now is anything wrong with that you 146 00:06:56,310 --> 00:06:54,370 think absolutely nothing I mean 147 00:06:58,290 --> 00:06:56,320 ultimately they I think the main 148 00:07:00,600 --> 00:06:58,300 takeaway that I hope people took away 149 00:07:02,250 --> 00:07:00,610 from from indeed my talk today was was 150 00:07:04,290 --> 00:07:02,260 really whatever works for you is what 151 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:04,300 works for you and obviously that's the 152 00:07:09,150 --> 00:07:06,490 same for millions of different you know 153 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:09,160 scenarios that we all live with every 154 00:07:13,020 --> 00:07:10,930 single day but in the context of diets 155 00:07:13,970 --> 00:07:13,030 whatever works for you is perfectly fine 156 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:13,980 and if 157 00:07:18,110 --> 00:07:16,290 if you manage to cut down your weight if 158 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:18,120 that's your goal then that's perfectly 159 00:07:22,340 --> 00:07:20,610 that's fantastic frankly as long as it 160 00:07:24,350 --> 00:07:22,350 works for you and it doesn't alienate 161 00:07:26,930 --> 00:07:24,360 you from your friends cuz certainly if 162 00:07:28,730 --> 00:07:26,940 you got out sugar the people hate you 163 00:07:30,290 --> 00:07:28,740 they hate because you go to the go to 164 00:07:32,930 --> 00:07:30,300 their house and one thing if I go to a 165 00:07:34,250 --> 00:07:32,940 party and it's there I go sugar got to 166 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:34,260 get into that and I can stuck into it 167 00:07:37,730 --> 00:07:36,330 and that's it over for that day and back 168 00:07:39,070 --> 00:07:37,740 to the diet again so you know it's a 169 00:07:41,690 --> 00:07:39,080 party I can have some there you know 170 00:07:43,130 --> 00:07:41,700 absolutely and nobody should blame you 171 00:07:46,190 --> 00:07:43,140 for that because ultimately all you're 172 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:46,200 doing is surviving and I love our you 173 00:07:49,310 --> 00:07:47,850 that you were saying that aunty sugar 174 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:49,320 diet is for people who hate others and 175 00:07:53,300 --> 00:07:51,690 themselves yes well you know and it's 176 00:07:55,850 --> 00:07:53,310 important to recognize that sugar is 177 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:55,860 sublime and when you do have sugary 178 00:08:00,110 --> 00:07:57,210 treats you know your brain releases 179 00:08:02,300 --> 00:08:00,120 endorphins and as a consequence of that 180 00:08:05,330 --> 00:08:02,310 you feel happy as a consequence of that 181 00:08:07,190 --> 00:08:05,340 of course you're you're almost you're 182 00:08:09,620 --> 00:08:07,200 primed to go back to the Sugar to feel 183 00:08:11,420 --> 00:08:09,630 how to feel happy in the future it's one 184 00:08:12,530 --> 00:08:11,430 of those unfortunate vicious cycles so 185 00:08:14,900 --> 00:08:12,540 one of the things you're talking about 186 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:14,910 was the the gut the gut environment and 187 00:08:18,170 --> 00:08:16,650 got changes when you radically change 188 00:08:19,490 --> 00:08:18,180 your diet and part of that is the way 189 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:19,500 you lose weight is that correct what's 190 00:08:23,180 --> 00:08:20,730 what we were saying that yeah so 191 00:08:26,630 --> 00:08:23,190 effectively when you when you change 192 00:08:28,510 --> 00:08:26,640 your diet drastically in any way your 193 00:08:32,089 --> 00:08:28,520 gut microbes you've got your gut flora 194 00:08:34,969 --> 00:08:32,099 loses the ability to metabolize as 195 00:08:37,790 --> 00:08:34,979 efficiently as it previously did but 196 00:08:40,580 --> 00:08:37,800 ultimately once and this will happen or 197 00:08:43,070 --> 00:08:40,590 ultimately the gut microbes will return 198 00:08:45,740 --> 00:08:43,080 to its to their normal state they'll go 199 00:08:47,510 --> 00:08:45,750 back to peak efficiency and ultimately 200 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:47,520 you will go back to putting on weight 201 00:08:52,130 --> 00:08:49,530 yeah that's that's why they refer to 202 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:52,140 this this stuff is as yo-yo dining 203 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:53,730 because you go up and down you go up and 204 00:08:57,590 --> 00:08:55,890 down and and ultimately when you find 205 00:08:59,360 --> 00:08:57,600 yourself putting that weight back on 206 00:09:02,480 --> 00:08:59,370 from this new diet that worked really 207 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:02,490 well for the first four weeks you you 208 00:09:07,340 --> 00:09:05,130 you become horribly disheartened you 209 00:09:09,410 --> 00:09:07,350 know and and so at that stage there 210 00:09:11,300 --> 00:09:09,420 should be further priming to say once 211 00:09:12,710 --> 00:09:11,310 once you hit that plateau stage and it 212 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:12,720 is acknowledged as sort of the plateau 213 00:09:17,150 --> 00:09:15,210 once you hit that plateau stage you can 214 00:09:18,950 --> 00:09:17,160 reduce your calories you basically you 215 00:09:21,290 --> 00:09:18,960 got microbes your body is back to its 216 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:21,300 peak efficiency it's time now to reduce 217 00:09:24,560 --> 00:09:23,250 your caloric intake so that you can 218 00:09:25,940 --> 00:09:24,570 continue to move forward with your 219 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:25,950 weight loss goals if that's if that's 220 00:09:29,470 --> 00:09:27,050 what you want obviously 221 00:09:31,180 --> 00:09:29,480 you mentioned fat-shaming on stage which 222 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:31,190 is kind of interesting well you're 223 00:09:33,730 --> 00:09:32,450 talking about people who may be just a 224 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:33,740 little bit overweight and people going 225 00:09:36,850 --> 00:09:35,450 armed and you should lose 5 kilograms 226 00:09:38,500 --> 00:09:36,860 that's sort of thing you mean well I 227 00:09:39,670 --> 00:09:38,510 mean I think that's an industrial that 228 00:09:41,889 --> 00:09:39,680 that's sort of the you know the media 229 00:09:44,980 --> 00:09:41,899 type thing but certainly you know just 230 00:09:46,630 --> 00:09:44,990 for your everyday human being we all put 231 00:09:48,970 --> 00:09:46,640 up with a certain amount of fat shaming 232 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:48,980 regardless of whether we're skinny or we 233 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:50,810 are carrying a little bit extra you know 234 00:09:54,940 --> 00:09:52,610 we get the TV shouting at us saying that 235 00:09:57,250 --> 00:09:54,950 we're fat we get you know cuz you can 236 00:09:58,900 --> 00:09:57,260 never be you can never be as sexy as the 237 00:10:01,990 --> 00:09:58,910 person that's doing that early morning 238 00:10:04,269 --> 00:10:02,000 workout you know on morning TV that's 239 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:04,279 advertising that exercise equipment you 240 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:07,130 can never be that amazing but what you 241 00:10:12,610 --> 00:10:10,370 can be is your best you know and it's 242 00:10:15,220 --> 00:10:12,620 quite easy to achieve your best it's 243 00:10:17,560 --> 00:10:15,230 what you feel comfortable in and all you 244 00:10:19,660 --> 00:10:17,570 need to do to reach that is to look in 245 00:10:21,310 --> 00:10:19,670 the mirror and say hey I got a body I'm 246 00:10:24,009 --> 00:10:21,320 happy with it I'm able to move around 247 00:10:26,380 --> 00:10:24,019 with it my joints don't hurt so bad you 248 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:26,390 know so that that should be when you say 249 00:10:30,250 --> 00:10:28,370 I'm happy with me if you want to lose 250 00:10:32,530 --> 00:10:30,260 more weight than more power to you but 251 00:10:34,690 --> 00:10:32,540 it shouldn't be everybody else telling 252 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:34,700 you that you need to lose weight it's 253 00:10:40,210 --> 00:10:37,370 none of their freakin business why why 254 00:10:42,250 --> 00:10:40,220 why should you care about what I look 255 00:10:43,540 --> 00:10:42,260 like you shouldn't that's the I'm een 256 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:43,550 that's ultimately the answer you should 257 00:10:47,260 --> 00:10:45,770 not care about what I look like it 258 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:47,270 wasn't other in the society we've got 259 00:10:50,740 --> 00:10:49,250 people you know they like do you think 260 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:50,750 that magazines can be blamed a lot for 261 00:10:53,019 --> 00:10:51,890 this or what do you reckon there's 262 00:10:54,310 --> 00:10:53,029 there's always they were trying to find 263 00:10:56,410 --> 00:10:54,320 the villain with this yeah I mean 264 00:10:58,210 --> 00:10:56,420 there's there's plenty of villains I 265 00:11:00,400 --> 00:10:58,220 mean the villains are ourselves because 266 00:11:03,550 --> 00:11:00,410 we buy the magazines ultimately you know 267 00:11:04,900 --> 00:11:03,560 this the the old socialist model is if 268 00:11:07,750 --> 00:11:04,910 you buy the magazines and they'll 269 00:11:09,310 --> 00:11:07,760 continue to print it you know it's what 270 00:11:10,900 --> 00:11:09,320 perhaps that's even capitalistic you 271 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:10,910 know you've worked your pushing the 272 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:12,170 great combo model there you thought 273 00:11:15,430 --> 00:11:13,850 there should be a higher tax on snack 274 00:11:17,500 --> 00:11:15,440 foods Eric and that worked out a sugar 275 00:11:19,180 --> 00:11:17,510 content or fat content hatch how should 276 00:11:20,769 --> 00:11:19,190 be imposed this tax you've just declared 277 00:11:23,949 --> 00:11:20,779 on stage there well well both of those 278 00:11:27,750 --> 00:11:23,959 so definitely a high sugar tax a high 279 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:27,760 saturated fat contact the amount and 280 00:11:33,189 --> 00:11:30,890 several a load dietary fiber but we've 281 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:33,199 been free kale you could pick up Cael at 282 00:11:36,220 --> 00:11:34,730 your local kale center could be free 283 00:11:38,580 --> 00:11:36,230 care for everybody you could i'm not a 284 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:38,590 big fan of kale unfortunately 285 00:11:44,220 --> 00:11:41,890 but but yet look any any fruit basically 286 00:11:47,190 --> 00:11:44,230 so effectively what I was proposing was 287 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:47,200 you you put a tax on unhealthy food you 288 00:11:50,850 --> 00:11:48,970 know in inverted commas unhealthy food 289 00:11:53,340 --> 00:11:50,860 and use the money that you get from that 290 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:53,350 to basically subsidize healthier food I 291 00:11:57,540 --> 00:11:55,210 mean it's pretty sure it's been proposed 292 00:11:59,070 --> 00:11:57,550 meaning I'm not I'm not the person who 293 00:12:00,780 --> 00:11:59,080 came up with this I'm just sort of 294 00:12:02,070 --> 00:12:00,790 saying that it's a good model has anyone 295 00:12:03,870 --> 00:12:02,080 given it a go considering the power of 296 00:12:06,090 --> 00:12:03,880 the lobby groups I member in the England 297 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:06,100 when they tried to bring in the the red 298 00:12:10,170 --> 00:12:08,890 green and yellow lights on on sweets 299 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:10,180 that that's not bad pretty quickly 300 00:12:14,730 --> 00:12:13,090 because of their lobbying power I don't 301 00:12:17,580 --> 00:12:14,740 know that anybody is actually giving it 302 00:12:18,780 --> 00:12:17,590 a go I mean different countries try 303 00:12:20,310 --> 00:12:18,790 different things in different states 304 00:12:22,590 --> 00:12:20,320 within different countries try different 305 00:12:24,210 --> 00:12:22,600 things you know we have the the health 306 00:12:26,220 --> 00:12:24,220 found the Hart Foundation tick of 307 00:12:27,900 --> 00:12:26,230 approval which effectively says that 308 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:27,910 this food is okay to eat so I should eat 309 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:30,850 as much as I like of it yeah right you 310 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:33,610 know but ultimately so so also a little 311 00:12:37,560 --> 00:12:35,170 bits of that women Donald started 312 00:12:39,420 --> 00:12:37,570 getting a tick I know I know right well 313 00:12:42,450 --> 00:12:39,430 you know look there there around their 314 00:12:45,540 --> 00:12:42,460 buns are really great they they taste 315 00:12:48,060 --> 00:12:45,550 amazing and if that's all you eat then 316 00:12:51,260 --> 00:12:48,070 you're probably yeah you're going to be 317 00:12:53,700 --> 00:12:51,270 yeah you'll find yourself in a diabetes 318 00:12:56,370 --> 00:12:53,710 you know state not too long into the 319 00:12:57,510 --> 00:12:56,380 future and how does the atheism that 320 00:13:00,330 --> 00:12:57,520 you're involved with linked in with the 321 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:00,340 skepticism or I came to skepticism which 322 00:13:07,290 --> 00:13:04,170 I frankly I prefer to the Atheist 323 00:13:08,790 --> 00:13:07,300 community I suppose I prefer the the 324 00:13:10,530 --> 00:13:08,800 skeptical community to the Atheist 325 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:10,540 community because it's brought a church 326 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:13,890 of ideas um I I think the reason that I 327 00:13:21,330 --> 00:13:17,290 prefer them sort of speaking very 328 00:13:25,380 --> 00:13:21,340 broadly is because they're more open you 329 00:13:27,090 --> 00:13:25,390 know skepticism sort of proposes that if 330 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:27,100 prove it if presented with new evidence 331 00:13:33,570 --> 00:13:30,250 one could change one's opinion and I 332 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:33,580 just find personally a lot of the the 333 00:13:37,470 --> 00:13:36,130 atheists that that I have told around 334 00:13:40,680 --> 00:13:37,480 with in the in the past that I've spent 335 00:13:42,900 --> 00:13:40,690 time with in the past to be exactly the 336 00:13:44,730 --> 00:13:42,910 opposite to that and it's unfortunate 337 00:13:46,650 --> 00:13:44,740 because you know they tend to be they 338 00:13:48,270 --> 00:13:46,660 tend to be loud and they tend to be the 339 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:48,280 ones that you know the squeakiest wheel 340 00:13:52,050 --> 00:13:50,050 gets the the most oil as they say you 341 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:52,060 know they get the most attention and a 342 00:13:55,380 --> 00:13:53,410 the consequence they end up being the 343 00:13:57,180 --> 00:13:55,390 front runners and the the faces the 344 00:13:59,850 --> 00:13:57,190 public faces of the Atheist community 345 00:14:01,410 --> 00:13:59,860 and frankly I prefer the public faces of 346 00:14:03,180 --> 00:14:01,420 the skeptical community because they 347 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:03,190 open you without you know they welcomed 348 00:14:06,780 --> 00:14:05,410 with open arms they love to talk to you 349 00:14:09,180 --> 00:14:06,790 about whatever you want to talk about 350 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:09,190 and they're open to your interpretations 351 00:14:14,730 --> 00:14:12,010 they're open to your to your experience 352 00:14:17,250 --> 00:14:14,740 they're open to your evidence and that 353 00:14:19,410 --> 00:14:17,260 it is a broad church as you say and with 354 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:19,420 the imaginary friends podcast isn't 355 00:14:23,250 --> 00:14:20,890 podcasting great I know you've got a 356 00:14:24,630 --> 00:14:23,260 regular job but that isn't podcasting 357 00:14:26,130 --> 00:14:24,640 you can just do what if you want and 358 00:14:27,750 --> 00:14:26,140 then when you put that show out it's 359 00:14:30,210 --> 00:14:27,760 exactly the way you wanted to sound 360 00:14:32,820 --> 00:14:30,220 absolutely and you know the show has 361 00:14:33,870 --> 00:14:32,830 changed so we're rounding up on 300 362 00:14:36,570 --> 00:14:33,880 episodes and we're actually just about 363 00:14:38,130 --> 00:14:36,580 to change our name I it's one of those 364 00:14:39,930 --> 00:14:38,140 things you know it's sort of a trade-off 365 00:14:42,450 --> 00:14:39,940 where you know I've got an established 366 00:14:43,860 --> 00:14:42,460 brand here and and I'm thinking of 367 00:14:46,140 --> 00:14:43,870 changing the name but but here's the 368 00:14:47,730 --> 00:14:46,150 thing and it sort of ties back into what 369 00:14:50,220 --> 00:14:47,740 I just said about the Atheist community 370 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:50,230 I started the imaginary-friend show on 371 00:14:55,890 --> 00:14:53,890 the on the premise that that I wanted an 372 00:14:58,620 --> 00:14:55,900 atheist podcast you know I wanted I 373 00:15:00,390 --> 00:14:58,630 wanted some way to say hey Jake from you 374 00:15:02,850 --> 00:15:00,400 know 15 years ago I know you're 375 00:15:04,650 --> 00:15:02,860 suffering and in your Catholicism I know 376 00:15:07,050 --> 00:15:04,660 you know you're working around with this 377 00:15:08,670 --> 00:15:07,060 with his horrible guilt all of the time 378 00:15:11,250 --> 00:15:08,680 with this horrible Catholic guilt all 379 00:15:12,750 --> 00:15:11,260 the time you know did you have a swing 380 00:15:14,340 --> 00:15:12,760 the incense around as a Catholic because 381 00:15:16,620 --> 00:15:14,350 that that kind of looks cool I was an 382 00:15:18,090 --> 00:15:16,630 altar boy but I never got to swing the 383 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:18,100 incense I think it's because I was so 384 00:15:22,140 --> 00:15:20,170 uncoordinated the priest thought that I 385 00:15:24,030 --> 00:15:22,150 might inadvertently knock somebody out 386 00:15:26,100 --> 00:15:24,040 does look a bit like a martial arts item 387 00:15:28,410 --> 00:15:26,110 it pretty much it's almost one of those 388 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:28,420 one of those awesome chinese martial 389 00:15:33,330 --> 00:15:30,610 arts you know the thing with nunchucks 390 00:15:34,890 --> 00:15:33,340 sort of yeah almost yes ya know they're 391 00:15:35,970 --> 00:15:34,900 cool things but basically so we're 392 00:15:38,250 --> 00:15:35,980 looking at changing the name to 393 00:15:40,770 --> 00:15:38,260 something that's less you know imaginary 394 00:15:43,140 --> 00:15:40,780 friends show was sort of focused on the 395 00:15:46,050 --> 00:15:43,150 imaginary friends you know the religions 396 00:15:47,970 --> 00:15:46,060 of the world and and now we're more sort 397 00:15:50,310 --> 00:15:47,980 of broad I suppose so we're looking at 398 00:15:52,470 --> 00:15:50,320 so i think it's going to be the 399 00:15:54,510 --> 00:15:52,480 inquisitive friends podcast that's there 400 00:15:56,220 --> 00:15:54,520 was a there was a suggestion by listener 401 00:15:58,620 --> 00:15:56,230 so and we'll be getting plenty of 402 00:16:00,270 --> 00:15:58,630 listener suggestions but yeah I love 403 00:16:03,210 --> 00:16:00,280 podcasting I think it's been it's been 404 00:16:04,949 --> 00:16:03,220 micah thought my catharsis the years 405 00:16:06,629 --> 00:16:04,959 now what about feedback you get on 406 00:16:08,610 --> 00:16:06,639 because podcasting feedback can be 407 00:16:10,079 --> 00:16:08,620 sporadic a lot of people they download 408 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:10,089 it they enjoy it and they don't give you 409 00:16:12,629 --> 00:16:11,050 any feedback because they had a great 410 00:16:15,210 --> 00:16:12,639 time so they don't need to give you 411 00:16:17,069 --> 00:16:15,220 anything less you ask yeah it's it look 412 00:16:20,100 --> 00:16:17,079 I think everybody puts up with this 413 00:16:21,629 --> 00:16:20,110 weather it's some podcasting or you know 414 00:16:23,579 --> 00:16:21,639 whether you own a shop or you know 415 00:16:26,639 --> 00:16:23,589 whether you know you work in a health 416 00:16:28,490 --> 00:16:26,649 service people tend not to tell you when 417 00:16:32,069 --> 00:16:28,500 things are wrong they just tend to walk 418 00:16:34,350 --> 00:16:32,079 and and yeah so basically if you care 419 00:16:36,540 --> 00:16:34,360 about that sort of thing you can look at 420 00:16:38,610 --> 00:16:36,550 the amount of downloads and if you 421 00:16:41,069 --> 00:16:38,620 notice a a decline then you can perhaps 422 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:41,079 change attacked but ultimately I don't 423 00:16:44,519 --> 00:16:42,970 really care I mean and I'm not saying 424 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:44,529 that as though I don't care what my 425 00:16:48,660 --> 00:16:47,170 listeners things I absolutely do I like 426 00:16:50,639 --> 00:16:48,670 to think that I produce a show that they 427 00:16:52,410 --> 00:16:50,649 like to consume certainly the numbers 428 00:16:54,059 --> 00:16:52,420 suggest that but and that sounds 429 00:16:56,519 --> 00:16:54,069 horribly considered I acknowledge but 430 00:17:00,420 --> 00:16:56,529 but i would say that producing a show 431 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:00,430 that sort of caters to my whims I think 432 00:17:04,829 --> 00:17:02,170 caters to a number of other people's 433 00:17:07,529 --> 00:17:04,839 whims as well in that we produce a sort 434 00:17:09,689 --> 00:17:07,539 of a comedy show that's informative at 435 00:17:11,669 --> 00:17:09,699 the same time that enables people to 436 00:17:13,470 --> 00:17:11,679 sort of laugh and learn also I think 437 00:17:15,419 --> 00:17:13,480 podcasting sensitive matured people 438 00:17:16,919 --> 00:17:15,429 don't send to look down on you as much 439 00:17:18,390 --> 00:17:16,929 for being a podcaster now used to be 440 00:17:19,949 --> 00:17:18,400 like I just some guy pretend to be right 441 00:17:22,529 --> 00:17:19,959 on answering your basement but not 442 00:17:24,329 --> 00:17:22,539 anymore yeah well as soon as the the 443 00:17:26,549 --> 00:17:24,339 major news producers starting that 444 00:17:29,100 --> 00:17:26,559 started putting out daily podcasts I 445 00:17:30,390 --> 00:17:29,110 think it legitimized everything I stop 446 00:17:33,330 --> 00:17:30,400 listen to the radio not worked in radio 447 00:17:35,130 --> 00:17:33,340 for years I've got 55 or 60 podcasts on 448 00:17:37,649 --> 00:17:35,140 my phone that just sees me through my 449 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:37,659 week and i love it i don't need because 450 00:17:40,500 --> 00:17:39,010 i thought this all these shows that I'm 451 00:17:43,140 --> 00:17:40,510 interested in why do I need to turn the 452 00:17:45,210 --> 00:17:43,150 radio on and go huh it's actually an 453 00:17:46,799 --> 00:17:45,220 interesting thing and I'd love to get 454 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:46,809 your opinion on it I mean do you do you 455 00:17:50,490 --> 00:17:48,450 think that now that we're consuming 456 00:17:54,029 --> 00:17:50,500 podcasts we're cutting you know the 457 00:17:57,450 --> 00:17:54,039 traditional media uses advertising in 458 00:17:58,950 --> 00:17:57,460 order to make money in order to you know 459 00:18:01,049 --> 00:17:58,960 pay their producers in order to produce 460 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:01,059 good content if we're consuming that 461 00:18:05,010 --> 00:18:03,490 content for free how are they going to 462 00:18:07,289 --> 00:18:05,020 produce stuff that's good enough for us 463 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:07,299 to want to consume well the problem is 464 00:18:11,130 --> 00:18:09,490 that their answer is as you as you can 465 00:18:12,990 --> 00:18:11,140 see on foxtel on channel 9 all the 466 00:18:14,659 --> 00:18:13,000 commercial stations is all people aren't 467 00:18:16,700 --> 00:18:14,669 watching as much our revenues going 468 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:16,710 we'll put more ads on that's what you 469 00:18:20,450 --> 00:18:18,570 tend to see and what is the effect of 470 00:18:22,970 --> 00:18:20,460 that it drives people away yeah there 471 00:18:26,269 --> 00:18:22,980 you know the Swedish model for newspaper 472 00:18:28,369 --> 00:18:26,279 production has been I wish it was the 473 00:18:30,789 --> 00:18:28,379 model that we took on in Australia let 474 00:18:33,340 --> 00:18:30,799 me tell you ninety-seven percent of 475 00:18:35,869 --> 00:18:33,350 their revenue comes from subscribers 476 00:18:38,149 --> 00:18:35,879 which means that they they're paid 477 00:18:41,419 --> 00:18:38,159 journalists get to do actual journalism 478 00:18:43,849 --> 00:18:41,429 which means that their press club in 479 00:18:45,950 --> 00:18:43,859 their Parliament ask actual questions 480 00:18:48,139 --> 00:18:45,960 rather than well that's a nice dress 481 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:48,149 Julia Gillard EU you worried about being 482 00:18:53,239 --> 00:18:50,970 taken seriously you know in those so we 483 00:18:55,669 --> 00:18:53,249 don't have a great and robust media in 484 00:18:59,210 --> 00:18:55,679 Australia as a consequence I think of 485 00:19:01,609 --> 00:18:59,220 this sort of you know reduction in 486 00:19:03,409 --> 00:19:01,619 revenue perhaps I mean maybe that is a 487 00:19:04,940 --> 00:19:03,419 consequence of that but and you 488 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:04,950 certainly get a get out on the edge in 489 00:19:08,239 --> 00:19:06,450 your podcast a lot of the ones I love 490 00:19:09,799 --> 00:19:08,249 like cognitive dissidence they get on 491 00:19:11,810 --> 00:19:09,809 the edge and okay they'll defend me 492 00:19:13,249 --> 00:19:11,820 sometimes because they go too far but 493 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:13,259 that's the price I pay for listening to 494 00:19:16,879 --> 00:19:15,210 something that I want their job and I 495 00:19:18,019 --> 00:19:16,889 think more people are waking up to that 496 00:19:19,580 --> 00:19:18,029 okay you're going to be offended 497 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:19,590 sometimes but most of the time you're 498 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:21,330 going to hit the mark yeah absolutely i 499 00:19:27,049 --> 00:19:24,090 mean being offended is i think the the 500 00:19:29,539 --> 00:19:27,059 right way to be able to look in so when 501 00:19:31,789 --> 00:19:29,549 you noticed you're being offended do 502 00:19:34,009 --> 00:19:31,799 something about it don't don't throw 503 00:19:36,590 --> 00:19:34,019 stones obviously don't you know don't 504 00:19:38,659 --> 00:19:36,600 burn flags don't shoot people whatever 505 00:19:41,389 --> 00:19:38,669 it happens but instead of instead of 506 00:19:44,299 --> 00:19:41,399 taking a fence and taking action take a 507 00:19:46,070 --> 00:19:44,309 fence and look inward say why was i 508 00:19:47,869 --> 00:19:46,080 offended by this I mean this is 509 00:19:51,409 --> 00:19:47,879 somebody's saying something that's 510 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:51,419 against my preconceived notions of X or 511 00:19:55,489 --> 00:19:54,090 Y why is it that I'm that I'm offended 512 00:19:57,169 --> 00:19:55,499 by it and even if you complain to the 513 00:19:58,729 --> 00:19:57,179 people that are doing it that might not 514 00:19:59,690 --> 00:19:58,739 help them next time they get out on the 515 00:20:02,539 --> 00:19:59,700 edge it's going to be completely 516 00:20:04,669 --> 00:20:02,549 different to think all together to be 517 00:20:06,409 --> 00:20:04,679 deferred issue yeah not only does it not 518 00:20:08,419 --> 00:20:06,419 help them but it doesn't help you 519 00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:08,429 because you end up not growing exactly 520 00:20:12,649 --> 00:20:10,080 you know you you end up not analyzing 521 00:20:14,180 --> 00:20:12,659 yourself get you end up being exactly 522 00:20:16,609 --> 00:20:14,190 where you were when you were offended 523 00:20:19,279 --> 00:20:16,619 you end up with those exact same beliefs 524 00:20:20,749 --> 00:20:19,289 and those exact same experiences I'll 525 00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:20,759 finish off of this last question it's a 526 00:20:23,930 --> 00:20:22,080 great one of them for skeptics if there 527 00:20:25,909 --> 00:20:23,940 was one whew that was actually real and 528 00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:25,919 was actually happening thing what would 529 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:27,120 you want that would be 530 00:20:32,330 --> 00:20:29,610 that one thing that could be possible I 531 00:20:35,360 --> 00:20:32,340 i think i'd love to believe in an 532 00:20:37,820 --> 00:20:35,370 afterlife any particular sort a brand 533 00:20:40,430 --> 00:20:37,830 their variety well you know it's funny 534 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:40,440 because any toy it's just one of those 535 00:20:46,370 --> 00:20:44,610 byproducts of skepticism anytime i make 536 00:20:47,450 --> 00:20:46,380 an assertion like this I feel obliged to 537 00:20:49,250 --> 00:20:47,460 take it through to its logical 538 00:20:51,049 --> 00:20:49,260 conclusion this isn't just a lapsed 539 00:20:53,150 --> 00:20:51,059 Catholic talking it's the last Catholic 540 00:20:55,010 --> 00:20:53,160 it absolutely is you know once you leave 541 00:20:57,110 --> 00:20:55,020 once you leave the religion you know you 542 00:21:00,110 --> 00:20:57,120 still get this still those one or two 543 00:21:02,690 --> 00:21:00,120 things you go will maybe maybe grandma 544 00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:02,700 didn't go there maybe she's just dead 545 00:21:07,700 --> 00:21:05,370 now and but I think it would be 546 00:21:09,799 --> 00:21:07,710 wonderful if there was some sort of life 547 00:21:12,530 --> 00:21:09,809 after death I know they're there 548 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:12,540 probably isn't but ultimately I think 549 00:21:16,610 --> 00:21:14,730 it'll be look at the very least what I'd 550 00:21:18,110 --> 00:21:16,620 like even though this is it sort of away 551 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:18,120 from the word what I would like is at 552 00:21:23,030 --> 00:21:20,490 the end of my life if my brain can be 553 00:21:25,549 --> 00:21:23,040 taken out of out of my body and placed 554 00:21:27,710 --> 00:21:25,559 inside the body of a cyborg so that I 555 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:27,720 can live for it forever that way of your 556 00:21:33,710 --> 00:21:30,450 transhuman well I just like to be you 557 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:33,720 know the first human cyborg hybrid that 558 00:21:38,150 --> 00:21:35,490 basically takes the battle back to the 559 00:21:41,390 --> 00:21:38,160 aliens that the conquers the the alien 560 00:21:43,490 --> 00:21:41,400 homeworld and and is able to propagate 561 00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:43,500 the humanity once again throughout the 562 00:21:47,690 --> 00:21:45,600 galaxy thanks Jake we can we find your 563 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:47,700 podcast with the new podcast title on it 564 00:21:54,159 --> 00:21:50,010 well at this stage it's going to stay at 565 00:21:54,169 --> 00:22:03,680 you 566 00:22:08,220 --> 00:22:06,270 how much truth is there to claims of 567 00:22:10,590 --> 00:22:08,230 risk caused by the treatment of beef 568 00:22:12,420 --> 00:22:10,600 cattle with antibiotics I'm Tamra 569 00:22:18,360 --> 00:22:12,430 Robertson and you're hooked up to the 570 00:22:20,550 --> 00:22:18,370 feeding tube the feeding tube is the web 571 00:22:23,670 --> 00:22:20,560 video series that brings you the real 572 00:22:26,100 --> 00:22:23,680 facts behind popular food myths food 573 00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:26,110 whoo is the most pervasive pop 574 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:28,480 pseudoscience out there right now and it 575 00:22:32,940 --> 00:22:30,970 desperately needs debunking each three 576 00:22:35,730 --> 00:22:32,950 minute episode is suitable for general 577 00:22:38,850 --> 00:22:35,740 audience and is produced by scientists 578 00:22:52,890 --> 00:22:38,860 for everyone the feeding tube check it 579 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:52,900 out feeding tube TV as reported in The 580 00:22:59,880 --> 00:22:55,930 Daily Telegraph at daily telegraph calm 581 00:23:02,730 --> 00:22:59,890 a you December the 20th by Grant 582 00:23:05,130 --> 00:23:02,740 MacArthur and Jane Hansen anti-vaxxers 583 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:05,140 taking posters and pamphlets promoting 584 00:23:10,650 --> 00:23:07,770 vaccinations in hospitals and clinics 585 00:23:12,750 --> 00:23:10,660 anti-vaccination vandals are ripping 586 00:23:15,300 --> 00:23:12,760 down posters that promote the benefits 587 00:23:17,910 --> 00:23:15,310 of life-saving injections and hospitals 588 00:23:20,460 --> 00:23:17,920 and health centers they claim they are 589 00:23:22,830 --> 00:23:20,470 trying to protect children by removing 590 00:23:25,710 --> 00:23:22,840 vital information even stealing 591 00:23:28,140 --> 00:23:25,720 pamphlets from childcare centers in 592 00:23:30,540 --> 00:23:28,150 attempts to prevent parents knowing when 593 00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:30,550 and why they should vaccinate their 594 00:23:36,210 --> 00:23:33,520 families one woman suggests taking the 595 00:23:39,900 --> 00:23:36,220 action further by printing a five sheets 596 00:23:43,500 --> 00:23:39,910 listing quote vaccine affected deaths 597 00:23:46,410 --> 00:23:43,510 and quote to place on parents cars and 598 00:23:48,930 --> 00:23:46,420 childcare centers one anti-vaccination 599 00:23:51,300 --> 00:23:48,940 vigilante is a Melbourne hospital nurse 600 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:51,310 who says she refuses to immunize 601 00:23:56,190 --> 00:23:53,650 patients she is under review by 602 00:23:58,260 --> 00:23:56,200 Australia's health watchdog after 603 00:24:01,290 --> 00:23:58,270 boasting she had falsified her 604 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:01,300 employment details to hide the fact she 605 00:24:05,550 --> 00:24:03,730 had not been vaccinated a father last 606 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:05,560 month boasted of roaming through a 607 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:07,570 Melbourne Hospital with his sleeping 608 00:24:12,270 --> 00:24:09,850 baby while his partner was in a medical 609 00:24:13,950 --> 00:24:12,280 appointment quote i came across the room 610 00:24:16,799 --> 00:24:13,960 we actually attended when we did our 611 00:24:19,649 --> 00:24:16,809 antenatal classes and nobody was in 612 00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:19,659 yeah I pushed the pram in and had a look 613 00:24:24,629 --> 00:24:23,049 around and quote he wrote quote I soon 614 00:24:27,269 --> 00:24:24,639 found the important whooping cough 615 00:24:29,629 --> 00:24:27,279 vaccination poster plastering false 616 00:24:32,009 --> 00:24:29,639 information into the faces of people I 617 00:24:34,830 --> 00:24:32,019 proceeded to take it off the wall and 618 00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:34,840 hide it under one of the cupboards one 619 00:24:41,399 --> 00:24:38,080 less [\h__\h] sign in the small win and 620 00:24:43,980 --> 00:24:41,409 quote a fellow female anti-vaccination 621 00:24:47,220 --> 00:24:43,990 supporter responded with the photo of 622 00:24:49,379 --> 00:24:47,230 stolen and vandalised posters with the 623 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:49,389 message quote when I was in hospital 624 00:24:54,509 --> 00:24:52,210 last week my husband removed quite a few 625 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:54,519 vaccination posters he took them to the 626 00:24:59,519 --> 00:24:57,610 car and edited them but didn't manage to 627 00:25:02,580 --> 00:24:59,529 put the edited versions back up 628 00:25:03,930 --> 00:25:02,590 unfortunately and quote a registered 629 00:25:05,879 --> 00:25:03,940 nurse who works in a Melbourne Hospital 630 00:25:07,950 --> 00:25:05,889 told how she stole the health 631 00:25:10,980 --> 00:25:07,960 information from her child's childcare 632 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:10,990 center last year quote these brochures 633 00:25:15,539 --> 00:25:12,610 were scattered all over my kids 634 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:15,549 childcare needless to say I took every 635 00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:18,129 single copy home for recycling they 636 00:25:24,419 --> 00:25:20,799 didn't know who did it the poster is 637 00:25:28,259 --> 00:25:24,429 huge it's hard to see ugh made me sick 638 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:28,269 and quote here it was mission impossible 639 00:25:32,940 --> 00:25:30,129 but pretending to look at other 640 00:25:35,820 --> 00:25:32,950 brochures I just grabbed them there were 641 00:25:39,659 --> 00:25:35,830 40 to 50 of them I also removed the 642 00:25:42,350 --> 00:25:39,669 reorder application LOL and quote and 643 00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:42,360 i'm the president of the committee LOL 644 00:25:48,930 --> 00:25:46,240 end quote Mary parks when artists who 645 00:25:50,430 --> 00:25:48,940 now lives in mullum bimby boasted she 646 00:25:53,730 --> 00:25:50,440 did the same thing at the local 647 00:25:56,879 --> 00:25:53,740 parenting rooms at Townsville shopping 648 00:26:00,090 --> 00:25:56,889 centres quote ripping them up and 649 00:26:01,980 --> 00:26:00,100 bidding them end quote and that story 650 00:26:05,100 --> 00:26:01,990 was from Grant MacArthur and Jane Hansen 651 00:26:24,750 --> 00:26:05,110 as reported after Daily Telegraph Daily 652 00:26:29,409 --> 00:26:27,130 be reasonable it's a podcast in a 653 00:26:31,570 --> 00:26:29,419 MERSEYSIDE skeptic society hosted by 654 00:26:33,310 --> 00:26:31,580 Michael Marshall in each monthly 655 00:26:35,470 --> 00:26:33,320 interview we'll examine belief from 656 00:26:37,090 --> 00:26:35,480 outside of the mainstream exploring how 657 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:37,100 those views are constructed and more 658 00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:38,890 evidence people feel support their case 659 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:41,809 on the latest issue I speak with author 660 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:44,330 and ESP researcher Ian Clark about his 661 00:26:49,090 --> 00:26:46,970 book for 26 am and about his belief that 662 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:49,100 humans can communicate via electrical 663 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:51,650 signals I've been told by various people 664 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:53,450 for an hour Occam's razor it was 665 00:26:59,409 --> 00:26:56,450 probably coincident and all I could say 666 00:27:02,080 --> 00:26:59,419 is no really I promise you it's not 667 00:27:04,270 --> 00:27:02,090 coincident here what ian had to say as 668 00:27:07,180 --> 00:27:04,280 well as finding back issues the show by 669 00:27:09,700 --> 00:27:07,190 searching merseyside skeptics org UK 670 00:27:19,420 --> 00:27:09,710 forward slash podcasts are looking for 671 00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:24,320 hey Heidi oh hi Joe hi Heidi oh hi 672 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:27,840 Maynard hi Maynard oh hi Joe nice day in 673 00:27:34,910 --> 00:27:31,050 this park yeah yes great weather oh look 674 00:27:38,060 --> 00:27:34,920 a unicorn a unicorn there are no such 675 00:27:40,670 --> 00:27:38,070 things as unicorn silly yes there are no 676 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:40,680 there isn't hey ladies what are you 677 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:43,170 arguing about Joe thinks unicorns are 678 00:27:50,150 --> 00:27:46,650 real they fo are let's look this up in 679 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:50,160 the skeptics dictionary the word how can 680 00:27:54,740 --> 00:27:52,410 we do that in this park there are no 681 00:27:57,050 --> 00:27:54,750 computers here you ladies probably don't 682 00:28:00,110 --> 00:27:57,060 know about the skeptics dictionary app 683 00:28:03,260 --> 00:28:00,120 available now for iPhone iPad and iPod 684 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:03,270 touch in the App Store yeah we do we've 685 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:05,250 been listening to the skeptic zone for 686 00:28:11,780 --> 00:28:09,450 years you know yes ok the app lets you 687 00:28:15,500 --> 00:28:11,790 access all the great skeptics dictionary 688 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:15,510 articles when you're on the go yeah let 689 00:28:21,530 --> 00:28:18,330 me look up unicorns oh cool Heidi 690 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:21,540 prepare to be proven wrong it says here 691 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:23,730 the Unicorn is a creature from fables 692 00:28:28,580 --> 00:28:27,090 aha actually I see now that someone just 693 00:28:31,820 --> 00:28:28,590 dumped their ice cream cone on that 694 00:28:42,010 --> 00:28:31,830 horse's head thanks detentionaire iPhone 695 00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:44,230 what we want is some more evidence 696 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:57,639 hello this is Joe alabaster 697 00:29:03,460 --> 00:29:00,200 the following is a letter to the editor 698 00:29:07,129 --> 00:29:03,470 from Professor Rob Morrison oam and 699 00:29:09,109 --> 00:29:07,139 professor Alastair mclennan AO vice 700 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:09,119 presidents of friends of science in 701 00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:15,090 medicine the government is struggling to 702 00:29:19,330 --> 00:29:17,279 find savings and about to make real 703 00:29:22,249 --> 00:29:19,340 inroads into pathology services 704 00:29:25,219 --> 00:29:22,259 prescriptions and other valuable medical 705 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:25,229 benefits of proven effectiveness the 706 00:29:29,629 --> 00:29:27,330 treasurer asks for suggestions as to 707 00:29:33,549 --> 00:29:29,639 where alternative savings might be made 708 00:29:36,229 --> 00:29:33,559 so here are three first remove 709 00:29:38,749 --> 00:29:36,239 pseudo-scientific mystical ineffective 710 00:29:41,239 --> 00:29:38,759 alternative treatments from those which 711 00:29:43,519 --> 00:29:41,249 can claim a health fund rebate or any 712 00:29:46,639 --> 00:29:43,529 other government subsidies using 713 00:29:49,700 --> 00:29:46,649 taxpayers money the government's own top 714 00:29:52,639 --> 00:29:49,710 research body the NHMRC has just 715 00:29:55,159 --> 00:29:52,649 produced a major report showing that 19 716 00:29:57,019 --> 00:29:55,169 common alternative therapies from 717 00:29:59,960 --> 00:29:57,029 naturopathy to homeopathy have 718 00:30:04,849 --> 00:29:59,970 inadequate evidence of efficacy what 719 00:30:07,369 --> 00:30:04,859 more do you need second stop wasting any 720 00:30:09,289 --> 00:30:07,379 more taxpayers money in subsidizing the 721 00:30:11,779 --> 00:30:09,299 teachings of these spurious treatments 722 00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:11,789 which can now be pursued in a variety of 723 00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:14,159 organizations from fly-by-night 724 00:30:21,499 --> 00:30:17,840 operations to universities and third 725 00:30:23,899 --> 00:30:21,509 stop wasting yet more taxpayers money in 726 00:30:26,239 --> 00:30:23,909 loans to students who study these 727 00:30:29,509 --> 00:30:26,249 courses few of whom will ever earn 728 00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:29,519 enough to repay them these simple 729 00:30:35,149 --> 00:30:31,679 measures will save millions of dollars 730 00:30:38,180 --> 00:30:35,159 the UK took these steps years ago why 731 00:30:40,210 --> 00:30:38,190 don't we are the political donations 732 00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:40,220 from the alternative medicine and 733 00:30:46,899 --> 00:30:43,289 pharmaceutical quarters just too big to 734 00:30:50,690 --> 00:30:46,909 lose professor Rob Morrison Oh am 735 00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:50,700 professor Alasdair mclennan AO vice 736 00:30:58,249 --> 00:30:53,039 president's friends of science in 737 00:31:00,440 --> 00:30:58,259 medicine to learn more about friends of 738 00:31:06,379 --> 00:31:00,450 science in medicine or join to support 739 00:31:10,190 --> 00:31:06,389 their work visit wwii am medicine org a 740 00:31:10,700 --> 00:31:10,200 you sign up for their newsletter via the 741 00:31:12,980 --> 00:31:10,710 website 742 00:31:16,940 --> 00:31:12,990 or keep up with their latest news via 743 00:31:20,019 --> 00:31:16,950 facebook at facebook.com slash friends 744 00:31:35,060 --> 00:31:20,029 of science in medicine and on twitter at 745 00:31:40,519 --> 00:31:38,610 hi this is Heidi Robertson from the 746 00:31:43,399 --> 00:31:40,529 Northern Rivers vaccination supporters 747 00:31:46,019 --> 00:31:43,409 we are a group of concerned citizens 748 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:46,029 dedicated to promoting good science and 749 00:31:51,659 --> 00:31:48,610 common sense in our region the far north 750 00:31:53,460 --> 00:31:51,669 coast of New South Wales this area are 751 00:31:56,460 --> 00:31:53,470 famous for its natural beauty and 752 00:32:00,090 --> 00:31:56,470 relaxed lifestyle also has the lowest 753 00:32:02,159 --> 00:32:00,100 rates of vaccination in Australia we are 754 00:32:04,590 --> 00:32:02,169 out to change that by challenging the 755 00:32:06,269 --> 00:32:04,600 myths and misinformation and by 756 00:32:09,570 --> 00:32:06,279 providing good evidence based 757 00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:09,580 information to the community we'd love 758 00:32:15,060 --> 00:32:11,440 for you no matter where you are in the 759 00:32:22,649 --> 00:32:15,070 world to join our fight please visit our 760 00:32:25,470 --> 00:32:22,659 webpage at ww nrvs info we also have a 761 00:32:29,789 --> 00:32:25,480 link there to our facebook page tweet us 762 00:32:32,399 --> 00:32:29,799 at in our fax supporters that's vix and 763 00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:32,409 check us out on Wikipedia by searching 764 00:32:51,060 --> 00:32:35,049 for Northern Rivers vaccination 765 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:53,620 thank you for listening to the skeptic 766 00:32:58,960 --> 00:32:56,090 zone I think it's probably going to be a 767 00:33:01,539 --> 00:32:58,970 bit of an abbreviated skeptic zone next 768 00:33:05,730 --> 00:33:01,549 week because it's sort of clashes a bit 769 00:33:12,100 --> 00:33:08,529 Merry Christmas everybody I'm going to 770 00:33:14,049 --> 00:33:12,110 be spending Christmas with my mum yeah 771 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:14,059 because my mum makes the best peanut 772 00:33:17,789 --> 00:33:15,770 butter cookie says I've might have 773 00:33:20,169 --> 00:33:17,799 mentioned before on the skeptic zone 774 00:33:22,930 --> 00:33:20,179 looking forward to that I am looking 775 00:33:26,019 --> 00:33:22,940 forward to that but from the skeptic 776 00:33:29,409 --> 00:33:26,029 zone from myself from Stefan sojka from 777 00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:29,419 Maynard Joe alabaster Heidi Robinson 778 00:33:34,899 --> 00:33:33,440 Iran sir give dr. Richie and now 779 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:34,909 voiceover man Jim will show a Merry 780 00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:40,970 Christmas indeed and well sneak out one 781 00:33:45,220 --> 00:33:42,799 more episode I think before the new year 782 00:33:46,750 --> 00:33:45,230 anyway but for now this is Richard 783 00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:46,760 Saunders reaching for another peanut 784 00:33:55,659 --> 00:33:54,080 signing off from Sydney Australia you've 785 00:33:59,500 --> 00:33:55,669 been listening to the skeptic zone 786 00:34:02,560 --> 00:33:59,510 podcast visit our website at wwc a pig's 787 00:34:06,460 --> 00:34:02,570 on TV for contacts and archive of all 788 00:34:08,740 --> 00:34:06,470 episodes since 2008 and our online store 789 00:34:11,460 --> 00:34:08,750 please support the skeptic zone by 790 00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:11,470 following us on twitter at skeptic zone 791 00:34:17,530 --> 00:34:14,480 liking us on facebook and leaving a 792 00:34:20,409 --> 00:34:17,540 review on iTunes you can also show your 793 00:34:23,349 --> 00:34:20,419 support by subscribing via paypal or as 794 00:34:25,149 --> 00:34:23,359 little as ninety-nine cents a week the 795 00:34:26,770 --> 00:34:25,159 skeptic zone is an independent 796 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:26,780 production the views and opinions 797 00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:29,210 expressed on the skeptic zone and not 798 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:31,609 necessarily those Australian skeptics or